tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post7208431140366115997..comments2023-10-28T13:24:04.911+03:00Comments on in the land of milk and honey: Holocaust Memorial in Israel: Of Trauma & TrustCalevhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06845000281247083994noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-33182182466750515952008-02-27T20:56:00.000+02:002008-02-27T20:56:00.000+02:00jews have always and should remain suspicious of o...jews have always and should remain suspicious of others. Hell, i'm suspicious of you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-50716742915634755242008-02-26T21:46:00.000+02:002008-02-26T21:46:00.000+02:00Beautiful post!I find it relieving, in a way, to s...Beautiful post!<BR/>I find it relieving, in a way, to see that my students (that is: students that are starting high school now) are a new generation and can look at the past with more distance. It will help them become less suspicious of 'the others' and grow up to be healthy young Jews, without forgetting the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-36846947580545431932008-01-31T23:16:00.000+02:002008-01-31T23:16:00.000+02:00BTW, anon was me, don't know why it didn't say so ...BTW, anon was me, don't know why it didn't say so this time round<BR/><BR/>Yellow BoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-56918798724376000232008-01-31T14:36:00.000+02:002008-01-31T14:36:00.000+02:00Anonymousi agree with you re first point - its not...Anonymous<BR/><BR/>i agree with you re first point - its not only negative, but ultimately impossible to maintain an identity based on this.<BR/><BR/>re ure second point, I cant remember who wrote about this, (i think it was Yossi Klein Halevi)but the difference in approaches and perspectives between Israel and Europe on the use of force was demonstrated during an celebration marking the liberation of Aushwitz. <BR/><BR/>Israel wanted to fly its F16's over the camp - the Europeans were uncomfortable with this...<BR/><BR/>And its because of what u said - the lesson we drew from the Holocaust is that powerlessness is deadly, thus the importance we place on self reliance and a strong military.<BR/><BR/>The lesson the Europeans drew from the World War was that too much power can be deadly - thus the slide towards pacifism in some quarters of the EU.<BR/><BR/>Our challenge in terms of our relationship with Europe is to show them where we are coming from.<BR/><BR/>CalevCalevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845000281247083994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-65517642310757269832008-01-31T11:48:00.000+02:002008-01-31T11:48:00.000+02:00Two unrelated points:The Holocaust and 'not provid...Two unrelated points:<BR/><BR/>The Holocaust and 'not providing Hitler with a posthumous victory' is a negative basis for one's Jewish/Israeli identity.<BR/><BR/>The Jewish lesson from the Holocaust was 'we must be responsible for our own peace and security, we will not let anyone beat the crap out of us again' (i.e. Zionism). The European lesson from the Holocaust was 'in order to guarantee our future peace and safety we must create a system which stops us beating the crap out of each other' (i.e. The EU). These two messages, one particularist and one universalist, don't always sit so comfortably one with the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-62183973097389315892008-01-29T20:57:00.000+02:002008-01-29T20:57:00.000+02:00699 words .. you unbelievable perfectionist! Sick ...699 words .. you unbelievable perfectionist! Sick luv...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15743286.post-50236872795018045622008-01-29T20:56:00.000+02:002008-01-29T20:56:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.NSBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04246688735696625051noreply@blogger.com